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Michael Schur is an Emmy Award-winning television writer and producer who has worked on Saturday Night Live, The Office and Master of None. A Harvard University graduate who was president of the Harvard Lampoon, the L.A.-based Schur is the creator of the fantasy comedy series The Good Place and co-creator of Parks and Recreation and Brooklyn 99. Schur's book debut, How to Be Perfect: The Correct Answer to Every Moral Question (Simon & Schuster, January 25, 2022) is a uniquely irreverent introduction to moral philosophy and a down-to-earth guide for readers interested in learning how to lead a more ethical life.
Moral philosophy is often viewed as a dry, serious subject. Yet, in How to Be Perfect, you joyfully incorporate humor and levity into real-life examples of critical moral quandaries. What role should humor play in striving to lead a more ethical life?
One of the barriers to entry for moral philosophy is its inherent capital-S Seriousness. It's a very serious subject, you see, full of serious-looking people who wrote long, serious books and, as such, most people want nothing to do with it. I find that frustrating, because these are literally the smartest people who ever lived and they devoted their lives to defining and describing how we ought to behave on Earth. I hope that humor--whether through secondary writing, or just the approach people take to reading it--can bridge the gap between the Seriousness of philosophy and the application of its ideas to everyday life.
It is courageous of you to share personal ethical blunders as a way to help readers understand the evolution of your moral philosophy. Are there some areas of ethics that are harder for you to practice than others?
First of all, it is in no way, shape, or form "courageous." Talking about the ways we've all screwed up in matters big or small is a very basic first step in the process of learning how to do better, make better choices, cause less harm to other people. It also makes us feel less alone in the world, because screwing up brings feelings of guilt and shame, and knowing we're not alone in feeling these things can be a huge relief.
I find most matters of ethics difficult to practice, because (a) making decisions in a modernized Western capitalistic world is an endless parade of value system compromises and (b) the process of marching in that parade, of mulling over our decisions to try to come up with the best solution, can be incredibly frustrating, and often makes everyone around you annoyed and miserable. But we still have to try!
The goal of humankind, as you interpret Aristotle's teachings, goes beyond happiness to achieve a state where one is "flourishing." Can you share your interpretation of what it is to "flourish" in life?
Aristotle (like most philosophers) was an incredible snob, so he thought the number of people who could actually "flourish" was very small. (And the only people who were even capable of it were men.) "Flourishing" as he defines it means that we are hitting the bullseyes of a bunch of different virtues--we're being generous but not too generous, mild but not too mild, courageous but not too courageous and so on. I think of it less like a tangible goal and more of a theoretical target--a North Star by which we can navigate. To me, practically speaking, flourishing means that we're paying constant attention to what we're doing and evaluating whether we're doing it well.
Do you think ethics and citizenship are intertwined?
Without question. No such thing as citizenship without ethics, and I think you could argue there's no ethics without citizenship. I'd rather my kids learn civics and ethics in school than advanced math or chemistry.
You taught a Zoom class on the philosophy of ethics in the context of your show The Good Place. What grade were the students and did they absorb the lessons of the show?
It was my son's sixth-grade class. My wife had the idea--we were all looking for ways to keep our children busy during the early days of the pandemic, and a lot of the kids in his grade had gotten into the show. We met four times. I asked them to watch a couple episodes and then we'd discuss the basics of the philosophy those episodes were dealing with. I think they got something out of it--it was a good reminder that when you boil these ideas down, they can be understood by anyone.
Do you plan to continue teaching this class and expanding it to more grades?
I would happily do it again if the kids were interested. Though it doesn't pay as well as my day job.
What is your response to potential readers who say they don't have the time, money or energy it takes to incorporate moral philosophy into their lives?
I get it! Acting ethically--or, acting more ethically than you were going to--often costs money and time and energy, but the ideas are free. So I guess I would say: start by learning the ideas. You might not have the resources to do the right thing at this moment, and that's understandable. Life is hard, and our time, energy and money are often in short supply. But you can practice the art of learning what the right thing is and why it's right. That would be a noble and worthwhile first step.
One hundred years from now, when future generations struggle with questions of moral philosophy and turn to How to Be Perfect for guidance on how to lead a more ethical life, what is the one thing you most hope they will take away from your teachings?
This is an exam no one gets an A on. The very best among us fail basic ethical tests on a weekly basis. It's a real "journey is the destination" situation--the goal here is simply to care whether what we do is good or bad, and therefore to try, all the time, to do a little better. --Shahina Piyarali