|photo: Diana DeLucia
Restaurateur and beloved TV personality Lidia Bastianich has published more than a dozen bestselling cookbooks. In My American Dream: A Life of Love, Family, and Food, Bastianich traces her journey from communist Yugoslavia to a refugee camp in Italy to the United States, reflecting on the lessons she has learned along the way (Knopf, $28.95).
Food can unite us across nationalities, class and beliefs. You've cooked for presidents, even popes, but how does cooking still connect you to people of all different stations in the world?
I think that the ultimate place in everybody's life is that place where everybody sits down around the table and shares food. For me, food is a conductor of love, affection, caring, nurturing and it has opened many doors--like cooking for the pope.
My success is partly the trust that I have from my audience. I feel very committed to that trust. I transmit the knowledge of how to make something, through my books or my recipes, on TV or at my restaurant. I get e-mails from people in Middle America--who will never come to my restaurant, and who most likely I will never see--who write me and say, "Last night I made a Lidia dinner at my home, and everybody loved it. Thank you for bringing it to my table." That gives me a tremendous amount of pleasure.
You paint the scenes in Istria where your grandparents lived so vividly, with the ripe cherries or plump figs, even the American cheese that brought you some joy in the refugee camp. How does food ground your memories?
Food takes me to places. Food seems to be like a conduit for me. So much of my life revolved around food. Hence, my memories were destined to revolve around food: the making of food, assisting grandma, following the seasons--going to find that perfect fig in the morning.
You often express your growing sense of identity as an American in terms of what was on your plate. One memorable line in the book comes when you're a teenager and buy a frozen TV dinner you'd been coveting. You write, "After heating the frozen food in the oven, I put the aluminum-foil container on my TV tray table and set myself up in front of our TV to watch a show. 'I am an American,' I exclaimed." Today, what makes you feel truly American?
I feel very American. America is the country I've lived in the longest, a country that has given me freedom and opportunities, and has given me the opportunity to give back. My children are American. My grandchildren are American.
As a young teenager especially, going to school and watching TV, I would want all the things that would make me an American: bobby socks or skirts with a big belt. I would go shopping and see things like a frozen TV dinner, and that, to me, exemplified America. Of course, my mother wouldn't spend the money on that; for that amount, she could have cooked dinner for all four of us.
When was the last time you had a frozen TV dinner?
Oh, I think it was in those times. I haven't had one since. I do buy organic frozen vegetables, but not much else in the frozen department. Ice cream, certainly. But not TV dinners.
The anecdote about your mother offering dog biscuits to a neighbor, thinking they were cookies, is so poignant. Have you made any similar mistakes in your global travels, either funny or a little embarrassing?
I don't know where it was, but with my father, we went to a place with lemon and water to wash your fingers--and drank that like lemonade.
This is what happens to people when they try to insert themselves into a culture they so much want to be part of. [My mother was] trying to learn English, so there was the language barrier. Also, she was very frugal. Maybe that cookie was cheaper than the other cookie!
You write, "Life is all about taking chances." What kind of chances do you take these days?
Calculated chances. Reasonable chances. Studied chances. I always tell everybody, especially my children, life is full of opportunities. You have to look at each one that interests you and analyze it: Do I want to take that road? Your life is built on the roads you decide to take--or as the poem goes, the roads not taken. Life's all about chances, opportunity. Look for chances.
So many strong women have helped shape your life. Can you tell us a little about your work supporting other women in business?
My life has been connected and supported and nurtured by a lot of strong women along the way, starting with my grandmother. She set a great example. In my industry, it's a tough road for women. Even though in Italy women rule the kitchen, in America there is a lot of resistance.
Along the way, I've taken women in and mentored as much as I can. We have a woman chef at Del Posto, with a Michelin star. Also, I was one of the cofounders of Women Chefs and Restaurateurs. We formed this organization to empower women. Women need to lead in order to get to equality. What that means in this society is that you need to be financially a leader. I thought that women were not given the right opportunities by bankers when they wanted to open their own businesses; so we would specifically make financial contributions so that they could open their own restaurants, and gain that power.
I worked for UNIFEM for 10 years and still work with them. Now, I am involved in educating immigrant children, making sure as they are in camps, or wherever they are, that they continue their education. I am also on the board of Arrupe College, a new two-year college in Chicago in association with Loyola University. It offers inner-city kids a stepping stone to education. I'm very involved in education, for women and men, especially for the underprivileged.
What are you reading right now?
I read all the time. I am just about to finish Beneath a Scarlet Sky by Mark Sullivan. It's a great book about World War II and the troops in Italy. Read it if you get a chance.
What was the last cookbook you cooked from?
It was the holidays, and you know what I wanted to do? Tarte Tatin! I went to Julia Child's book, and I went to Richard Sax's. I always like to check the same recipe in a few books, to see what is the common denominator and what I like out of each. I made two tarte tatins for the holidays, and they were great. And let me tell you, I didn't make the puff pastry.
Did you buy it frozen?
I did! --Katie Weed, freelance writer and reviewer